Subject: Re: Fraudulent Psychic event and false suicide information given out at Hay House event by Doreen Virtue
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 00:18:29 +0000
Mary, for this note. I have forwarded it to our behavioral health folks
here at the County so they can be aware of the situation. We may be
limited in actions we can take.
I am writing to file formal complaint with the dept of Health at the
suggestion of the Attorney General's office and at the suggestion of
practicing medical MD I spoke with about the situation.
On Sept 22,2012 in the City of Seattle at the Angels and Afterlife event
speakers Medium John Holland and alledged angel medium Doreen Virtue
presented and I observed seeming blatant psychic fraud leading to
potential endangerment of suicidal persons by Ms
Virtue. Ms Virtue had a question passed to her by medium John Holland
regarding situation where single mother of suicidal 20 1/2 yr old black
male asked why her son was becoming suicidal and shared with us that her
son had written a letter to her that had
he had read to her in which he confessed to repeated thoughts of
killing himself and almost taking action several times in the prior
weeks but each time a friend just happened to call so he changed course.
Mr. Holland passed the question to Ms. Virtue telling us all that Ms.
Virtue had doctorate degree in clinical psychology and clinical
psychology experience. He stated she had two doctorate degrees. He
stated to us all that she was best qualified to answer
the question. The mother had specifically asked for his insight. The
mother thought wisely that of the two Mr. Holland was the real medium
and might be able to get true insight into the situation. Holland
during his psychic readings nailed them.
Ms. Virtue was so horrible at "reading" people that some left during
the event while she was talking. She was observed seemingly in blatant
"fishing" technique where she was unable to get any kind of hit on the
people she was reading and did actively engage
them to try to get them to tell her what she then reworded and repeated
back to them. I have never seen it done to such horrific levels before.
One old woman stormed out almost running into me on my way to the
bathroom declaring" The Bitch is a total fraud."
She asked me could I not see the woman was not getting anything on
anyone and person after person was telling her no over and over and that
she was trying to make it fit when it wasn't. I confirmed for the very
pissed off old woman yes that I was observing
the same thing as she was regarding Ms. Virtue. I tried to get the old
lady to see that at least Mr Holland was a real medium but the old woman
could have cared less she wanted the angel medium to be real.
But Ms Virtue's bogus psychic game crossed the line into endangerment
with her imparting false information on suicide while claiming:
A) To see and communicate with all of our angels in the room ( over 700 people present)
B) To claim gift of mediumship
C) Claim of being Doctorate level clinical psychologist.
Dr. Fleming in front of 700 people Ms. Virtue did tell this mother of
suicidal young son that " Those who talk of suicide do not do it. They
just want attn. They need counseling, But they don't ever do it!"
The mother at this point had already told us that her son had written a
letter he had read his mother confessing that he had repeated thoughts
of suicide he almost engaged in completing except for the young man's
friends by fluke of miracle of God happening
to have called just when the young man was going to end it all. Ms.
Virtue went on and asked the mother was there any drug use involved and
the mom said no. She pressed no alcohol or pot. The mom said maybe some
pot and then Virtue in front of us all declared
that was the issue the low vibration pot!
Next Ms. Virtue went on to offer the woman help. Help came in the form
of a book given for free to this mother that Ms Virtue had written on
the Mother Mary and it was passed to the woman with the declaration that
Mary is the Queen of Heaven and she and her
angels could help with this that this book if placed even UNREAD on the
nightstand would help heal the energy of the home and the situation..
At no time did Hay House staff or John Holland stand to correct this
blatant misinformation on suicide or the use of family tragedy/medical
illness to be used to plug a product that could not do what it was
claimed to. Ms. Virtue's statements on healing properties
of her book unread constitute a healing claim that is untrue and is a
pure snake oil.
I went immediately to speak to the Mother of the suicidal boy. I did the
best I could using my gifts as an intuitive and as a person holding a
BS degree in Justice and Law Admin with concentration in Correctional
Counseling with a minor in Psychology. I have
family and personal history with suicide tendency - my family has lost 2
persons to suicide - and I have worked as volunteer at one point in my
life on teen suicide prevention line.
The woman with the suicidal son was confused why I was even there for as
she said the two famous mediums had entirely blown off any risk to her
son's life! I sat there doing my best to let anything and everything of
my gift, training and life experience come
through to stand against the fraudulent info on suicide and to
encourage this mother to take action now! The older brother also had
history of suicidal tendency. So this mother has had 2 of 3 sons become
suicidal around the late teens early twenties. Their
father is of intense mood and that is why there is broken home. Family
depression of suicidal level is medical & spiritual condition not
caused by a little weed except to bogus gurus making shit up as they
I ask the health dept to please stop Ms Virtue from making claims of
Mary Mother book healing energy tied to suicidal tendency or any medical
condition and in making statements that could lead suicidal persons
from not receiving help then need asap when
she says those who talk of it NEVER do it! I ask the health dept to
hold Hay House CEO Reid Tracey accountable for what goes on under the
Hay House name.
Melissa ,a Hay House employee who was present that day , that she
clearly saw that Ms Virtue was "entirely off in all her reading of
all the people she read" and she stated she was shocked Ms Virtue "even
attempted to read anyone." I was informed Ms. rarely
reads anyone anymore. I asked Melissa about the suicide comment she
confirmed she had heard it clear as I had but she said " I only took it
as dangerous if taken literally. It would be dangerous if taken
literally." When I asked Melissa why if she thought
there might be any harm why she did not stand to say this is wrong she
said to me she was pretty sure had she done so had she thought it
concrete risk that she would have been fired on the spot.
Hay House CEO when I contacted him did state if I had the email of the
mother he would personally write her and encourage her like I did to
seek immediate medical attn. for her son. I have not the email of the
mom at this point.
I can not say ethically that the CEO has offered to do nothing since if I
had the email he would have written the mother to correct Ms Virtue's
false info but Mr. Fleming he did nothing to correct the false
information that went out to 700 people who may not
now get help for their suicidal loves ones or friends. He has left 700
Seattle people hearing bullshit .That mother of the 20 yr old may or
may not believe me that she should take the risk as real of her son
committing suicide if he keeps having repeated
thoughts of it --all because Hay House CEO & Louise Hay herself
are comfortable putting a seemingly completely incompetent fraud on the
stage to milk believing souls seeking answers for millions in profits
each year. There is not a thing spiritual about
Virtue clearly did not follow APA standards or Spiritualist standards or
Christian standards in her answer to the mother of the suicidal son.
From what I could try to evaluate with only limited info from the mother
the son has 5 of 9 risk factors for teen suicide
not including having a close bloodline relative of suicidal tendency or
history. A little weed didn't make this kid suicidal..
Claiming the psychological degree at DOCTORATE level and failing to
follow the truth of psychology made Virtue's statement seem like it is
medical truth when it was is untrue. Virtue if you read her books or
hear her presentations has a history of making stuff
up that makes little to no sense and not being held accountable by
those in the metaphysical community. Whether its telling people to warn
fairies off the grass before mowing so as not to kill them or of
unicorns. I have never heard a of a story of an angel
of God leading anyone to 5 marriages and 4 divorces. But even if you
listen to Virtue she won't tell you about that aspect of her life
as she tries to make it seem like she has one divorce..
Hay House stands to make millions on the Virtue angel crap between the
cards, books, angel classes, angel therapy practioner classes, apps for
iphone , calendars, and such and cares so little for human life that
though Ms. Virtue clearly violated their rules
about imparting of medical information, they did nothing to stop her
from doing so. Stopping the angel medium from imparting dangerous
medical info and claiming fraudulent healing claims on book she
wrote would clearly show the woman is an utter fraud . The
money is huge in Hay House continuing this fraudulent route and if no
one takes this stand who cares little for the cost to their psychic
career it won't change until someone dies!
I've had a fellow medium from Van Praagh Mastering Mediumship
class encourage me to not report the fraud, writing that I should see
Mr Holland's conduct as an example for me if I want psychic fame. I was
told that psychics run in circles and that you don't
out the fraud in your circle. I was told it's not right but its how it
goes . I was told to play the game so that I too can have psychic fame
as Mr. Holland. I am hearing Desiree you can't call attn. to the fraud
it will affect our ability to make money. Mr
Holland though a real medium - is no different than some cop or priest
of good conduct who see physical abuse or sexual abuse around and will
not take a stand to stop it due to personal profit thinking well I
don't engage in it so its not my obligation to
take the stand. Its wrong when priest turn away from reporting other
priests who do wrong things. Its wrong when cops don't stop bad cops
from hurting others & its wrong when highly gifted medium
lets another whether real or fake give out bogus bullshit while
they say nothing to stop it. Human life matters.
There are no incompetent angels .. but there is angel fraud.
Will you see what can be done under the law in this case.
I have waited months and done all I can to see if I talked Hay House and
Holland would they step up to correct their psychic fraud problem and
they have done nothing that I am aware and so it will probably happen
again if not in our state in another. I have
been unable to get solid commitment from Hay House CEO that he would
guarantee this would never again happen. I must morally press forward
till I am sure no soul will be hurt in this fraudulent bullshit.
Mary- Desiree Krautkramer