Saturday, July 26, 2014

Call to skeptics....

 Dear Mr Randi, Shermer and Grothe & the skeptical community...

Writing with resignation to ask you to please step up your efforts to call out new age bullshit but from a whole new angle..

In 2 mo. will be the 2 yr anniversary of my watching Hay House author/"angel medium" Doreen Virtue give out wrong suicide info to the mother of a suicidal black man having repeated thoughts of killing himself.

A Mom who was told by Virtue  that those who talk of suicide do not do it. They just want attention. They need counseling but they don't EVER do it... No one present that day called that crap out.. and no one since has done anything to make sure the right information on suicide is imparted to all who were present.

 Doreen Virtue since that event went on to make anti-vaccine statements/posts that at one time included one encouraging a mom toward seemingly full non-vaccination of children ( that thankfully has been taken down) but  Virtue still has up posts  that encourage people to see elderberries as safe and of angels and flu shots as not good .. Using Natural News as back up..
I believe in God. I believe in spiritual gifts .
I have no belief in the game they are running at Hay House taking new age consumers... even endangering them in false medical info while no one calls it out putting money before life.
 Even though I have written the Hay House CEO  & John Holland over and over to the point I probably have  a nagging to try  save life merit badge waiting for me in Heaven...  they do nothing to fix wrong medical information that could kill the very consumers they say they want to serve.

I want to challenge all of you.. before TAM 2015...
Crank up the voice of the skeptical movement to call out not only Doreen Virtue imparting wrong suicide info in the name of angels and her seemingly encouraging people away from vaccines and ADHD medication  ...but to call them all out on doing nothing while they have all seen the bullshit.

Call people to thought.. 
not as atheists if they choose not to be such  but  to thought within their own spiritual traditions.

Call new age gurus to responsibility for all that they say.. all that  they write.. everyone  whom they  work with on a stage or at events .. all they endorse to their fans verbally or online  or whose products they plug.

My belief is ..We are body mind, heart, and soul..
We were never meant to leave the mind behind.

The new age wants & depends on us to check our minds at the door... How is a God who created a world with physics, biology, chemistry, math etc glorified in stupidity?  How can their being quiet while one or any of their own endanger  in the new age ? Is this not be a marker that none of them is of God that none calls out that which could harm any other.

To me it seems a Hay House/New age  culture of non-thought, non-commitment to truth,  non-accountability that is money fame & ego driven honors nothing of God.. It honors taking people for their money  and nothing else.

 I watched life risked in psychic fraud... It's not just silliness to choose to believe in or not believe in when they risk lives. Even with online posts that could harm their intertwined fans.. no famous psychic or medium  calls Doreen Virtue out for encouraging people from flu shots.
 They who know of her posts on vaccines and who say nothing risk peoples lives to flu in the name of angels and Natural News.. Just as those who know of her suicide statement and do not call it out risk peoples lives to suicide..

And, people wonder why I am so cranky about the lack of ethics in mediumship and why I no longer believe it's anyone talking to my dead people in Heaven or anyone else's ..

 I know my dead people would say its wrong to risk people's lives in bullshit..
 I can picture one of my dead people saying what the fuck are those frauds doing in our name... Don't talk  to the predators honey - What did we teach you.. what values did we teach.. remember who we are and live it...

 I write to beg skeptics  to open your hearts .. to start a more diverse dialogue that can be heard and understood  with those who believe in God and spiritual gifts to take a closure look at what is happening around them in the new age and to think clearly about the topic of why psychic accuracy actually matters......

 When always the angle of skeptical material is the atheist angle it sets up intuitive new age people to not hear  what you may say that may be useful even for the believer in God when faced with psychic claims by others..

 And, it isolates  skeptics from others of non-atheist inclination  who might be allies in calling out the crap that takes other faiths' symbols & concepts and re-spins them into new age marketing tools.

  I am sure if  you had a  talk about why it's not of God for some person to say the shit Doreen does on angels you could get a ton of priests to step up to talk about it if you gave them a place or show to talk about why what she does and says is not of Christianity .

Mr. Michael Shermer  will you  please think of re-evaluating your cold, warm and hot reading categories.. So, that you may be more effective & possibly be of  greater service to everyone. .

 If I were to say to a man wanting to date me ..
I will date you.... but first... you have to prove you are good man in my test. . I shall evaluate your actions and words in the following categories.

 A ) Cold ....You are an asshole.
 B )  Warm ...You are really an asshole.
 C )  Hot .. .You are definitely an asshole.

 I suspect any man  seeing my categories might call foul... with no categories of ... He might not be an asshole or He might be a  good guy or He is a good guy. . He might validly think  I was being a bitch and didn't really want to ever let a man be shown to be anything other than an asshole.

Mr Shermer  though I believe in psychic abilities .. I've seen ton of fraud ( though never so clear, stupid,and dangerous  as what I saw tied to Doreen Virtue) . No one in the new age community talks about the fraud . And there seems to be this odd concept of well if people want to believe in Bull why tell them otherwise .. if it makes them happy why call it out... If they were really serving spirit would they not call out the crap they know is crap?  They twine the bull so into the whole mechanism it makes it impossible to believe any are of God.For in the twine none can afford to call any of it out since they all plug one another like a huge spinning money making chakra.

 Though I evaluate psychics differently than you do & I perceive  psychic  abilities as real..
  I want to say Mr. Shermer  some of what I have seen in your videos is good stuff   & the topic of being able to properly evaluate accuracy becomes important when we have Internationally known Hay House medium author  who Hay House introduces at events as really seeing our guardian angels telling people wrong suicide info and not to get flu shots ..Mr Shermer no one stops the dangerous shit - it makes your work so much more important.. It does ..

 I  didn't watch your materials Mr Shermer  before the Doreen Virtue crap. I came upon them due to a UK skeptic challenging me to view them.  I had heard of you  but did not watch your stuff because you come from the clearly stated perspective that nothing intuitive or psychic can be real . So why would I watch them..Knowing some is real. Maybe make videos for those who believe some of it is? So that your reach to protect will be greater.

There are only the two vocal camps presented to the public:
those who seem to present its all real.. ( Chopra )
against those who say none of it is real.. ( Militant Atheists)

The ones hurt most by this are intuitives  who hearing a guru profess to have experienced  what they experience  within their own lives  can fall into the whole ..  the they are like me concept and if some of it is true..... it must all be true..

While Deepak Chopra calls out to the press like some over puffed puffer fish  crying loudly   .. look at me challenging devout atheists who believe in nothing you do.. I the Chopra .. I shall stand for spirit as being real ...

 While we know the very real reality that while he puffs up like a self proclaimed new age saint  Chopra refused  to address the fraud that could kill tied to him via Doreen Virtue and James Van Praagh.. Where did his medical ethics go to protect life... Does he think leaving wrong suicide info in play is ethical>  He never calls out the bad shit.. He never calls out the stupid shit that makes no sense..  He uses the very real reality that the skeptics tend to be a mostly atheist group against you .. though some of what you say is very real and really needs to be talked about..

Mr Shermer could you  please think of adding  new categories to your evaluations of psychics. Curretnly you do not even seem to have  categories of "possible hit" and" hit" and this could be  used against all that you might intuitives.

Come join the deeper waters of conversation of being able to say okay I think I saw 6 hits out of 70 and what does that mean everyone.. How far off were the misses..
How wide were the " sort of hits".. Was the psychic so wide in the statement that you could fit the state of Texas and Chris Christie into the statement?

  I promise going deeper into  the waters will not make star fish out of sharks..

 Please  make more videos showing non-sophisticated people how some information can be picked up via  sight & applying general human understanding and  generalizations of people..  Don't just say its cold reading - show us .. talk it out... have a fake reader explain how he or she got what they did...

Also videos on the top psychic cons people are getting taken in  ( IE You are cursed you need to give me all your high end jewelry & cash on hand  to bless in order to break the curse .. and then the person saying this runs off with it all  etc) - how do these scams run & what people should do when they see one being done...  I encourage you to crank up prevention efforts...

As a Catholic..I do no support Atheists in the denial of God or spiritual gifts - but I fully support  educating people to think about all that surrounds them so they do not get KILLED by STUPID shit in the name of their own dead people & guardian angels .

 Skeptics ...  You  are all there is to protect new age consumers from someone giving wrong medical info in the name of angels..or other psychic work .. because those who profess to having spiritual gifts and to serving spirit  when  seeing wrong stuff done not call it out..

Upon any examination of Doreen Virtue's " work"  you can see the stupid almost literally  dripping  from it .. By coming only from atheist perspective Skeptics  .  you could not bring up the very clear markers of bull that if pointed out to Christians ...clearly would have made them say oh shit how can Doreen Virtue be real if they believe what they have been taught of  angels  ..

 Doreen Virtue who Hay House professes to be an angel expert ..Doreen Virtue I can do it.. Hay House  wants you & I  to call on Archangel Michael for protection.against negative energy . She even has deck with him on it..
Archangel Michael is known for winning the battle over Lucifer in the fight over who would run Heaven when Lucifer they claim tried to take over.  Michael who was once the 2nd most glorious angel in heaven rose to the top in obedience to God..according to the Bible and Christian tradition.. Michael rose against the devil/ the highest demon himself and won. So lets take a look at what Doreen Virtue says about demons.. since she has a deck plugging the archangel who defeated Satan himself...

Reference Doreen's own angel therapy website...
"As a clairvoyant, Doreen can see the spirit world in great detail. She says, "There are beings that are referred to as ‘fallen angels.’ In reality, they aren’t angels at all. Angels are glowing beings, filled with the inner radiance of God’s love. Angels have soft, feathery wings. Angels always talk about, and act from, Love. The "fallen angels," in contrast, have no light in them. They have short, bat-like bony wings and clawed talons. They’re commonly called "gargoyles." These beings aren’t creations of God’s love; they’re creations of man’s fear........etc......
   "Earthbound spirits" are another form of so-called "fallen angels." These are deceased humans who, for a variety of reasons (fear of hell, materiality and so on.), stay rooted to earth. They are sometimes called ghosts.............etc.......
Think about God as often as you can. And call upon the Archangel Michael, who escorts away fear and darkness, to act as your "bouncer," ensuring that only invited guests are by your side and in your home. For more information on this topic, please see Doreen’s books, Archangels & Ascended Masters, Angel Therapy, Chakra Clearing, The Lightworker’s Way, or Healing with the Angels."

In the above taken from Virtue 's  own angel therapy website she is saying there are no fallen angels & she is saying that what people refer to as fallen angels are created by man's fears ( Not angels made by God who turned from Him )  & thus she is denying the whole battle of Lucifer against God ( A Battle where some say as much as 1/3 of Heaven's angels fell in the rebellion of God's angels from Him fighting to take over Heaven - a battle that happened  before the creation of man)  and yet she  has been claiming to be an angel specialist with Hay House's endorsement ...

No one caught this ... wow  
Anyone want to  please explain to me how if there was no battle between Lucifer and Archangel Michael what significance the angel Michael would really have as anything?
To a Christian can you explain ... how If there was no Lucifer  the fall of man in the garden of Eden could be real..

How many Christians would have paid to go see a woman claiming she speaks and hears angels if they knew she denies Lucifer and the fall of man to sin... if they had been told this ...
Why did no skeptic call this out as something to look at to Christians  long ago?

 James Van praagh endorses Virtue  as real ..
And has for years..James Van Praagh heavily plugging Doreen Virtue

How could this be missed ..  
By Not looking at WHAT was being taught  & who plugs whom as something to very validly call out ...not just psychics hits.
Not that Virtue seems to get any solid psychic hits ..

If you in the skeptic community only want to plug the atheist ideals  never talking of anything else that could shine light to believers in God in how what they believe does not line with those calling them to the new age will be unable to  protect those who believe in God from those who would take them. It become the total non-believing atheists against the ones selling the fruit of the new age - eat and be like God .. With the  prey still being taken... Amp it up skeptics.. an intuitive calls to you and says you are needed.

 James Van Praagh wants to  knock all  skeptics as lesser..James Van Praagh tries to get Mavis to call Skeptics bad...          While not thinking about how much he now says that gives everyone reason to be skeptical about him.  While Van Praagh  talks about personal responsibility at one point in this video being tied to mediumship .   Mavis Pattilla and James Van Praagh When I called to  Van Praagh to take personal responsibility in what he endorses and to call out wrong suicide information  and to stop endorsing Doreen Virtue  selling mediumship to all via dvd against his own teachings. . he blew it off ...

The below is how I feel about James Van praagh sending me & my fellow JVP 5 day classmates  to see the stupidest shit ever said in the name of angels.. to a demonstration where life was risked and where his soul sister made up crap in the name of spirit while charging people $125- $150 each...  and then when I called everyone to fix it the bitch threatened to sue me for doing what was right .  And then he did nothing when I called him to do what was right to save life ... I asked him to step up to protect life because  I thought  like an idiot he was actually talking to heaven when he wasn't..

I know the fake spirit crap demeans all those it touches..
It demeans Hay House owners Louise Hay & Reid Tracy for publishing it & presenting it at the cost of their fellow souls..
It demeans those spewing it.
It demeans those who hear it and get taken in it.
It demeans those who know it is crap and yet fail to  call it out for their personal gain.
It echoes in the future.. when it is taught down the road as a truth that shall never be true.
And , it blocks the way of those who would not give us crap..
Those who seek truth can not align with such as those at Hay House as they are now.
Those who love their brothers can not endanger their  lives  in false medical info nor the choices they might make in failing to reach their full potential by being taught false methods or by making their choices on the flip of a deck.
Life is sacred. Every life.

Skeptics...Expand the skeptical reach .... to where you are needed.
Not as a push in atheism.. But  in love for your fellow man in helping him /her think and be safe
 even if he or she chooses to believe in God .

Who knows who may die this coming Fall tied to New Age angel crap if you fail...
Virtue's suicide comment  stands never corrected almost 2 yrs after it went out  and her anti-flu shot vaccine posts are still where any of her over 500,0000 Facebook fans with a simple Google search  may come upon them this fall when they ponder what angels think of flu shots..

 At the bottom part of my blog you shall see mini sections of who is plugging her shit - and I want you to think of the fans .. the fans who might fall to bullshit and flu shot denial in the name of angels bullshit. And I want to ask you think of all those who can not flu shots or other shots due to immune trouble - should they die to angel bullshit? Those who can not get shots depend on us to bring them herd immunity.

Blogger shares important angel Message from Doreen Virtue no flu shots

Elderberries .. Doreen Virtue plugs evils flu shots via Natural News

Her angel guidance says say no to FLU SHOTS

Tv ads and warnings to get flu shots to save life... Hypnosis according to Virtue

What You Should Know for the 2014-2015 Influenza Season
CDC Weekly flu summary

Mr.  D. J. Grothe...

Mr. Van Praagh tells us all that there is no hell or sin..
~~Love is the only real thing that exists.. James Van Praagh~~~

Should I tell the people in Israel it's love when they are having air strikes?
Should I tell the family members of  of murder victims they were murdered in love?

Mr. Grothe if there is no hell  can you please explain for us from a Christian perspective what that means  in perspective to the crucifixion of Christ & who Jesus Christ was ?
From a Christian perspective would it make any sense  that those in Heaven  would tell  Mr. Van Praagh to tell us  stuff that would deny Christ's death having meaning?

How many Christians would have paid Van Praagh  to "talk "to their dead if they knew that what he  was professing if you looked at the logic of it was basically saying  that Christ died for nothing since there is no hell for him to have saved any of us from .  Yet,.. we do not have this called out to the public by skeptics ....for no atheist will go there..  But, the people being taken are not atheists...And they Believe Jesus died for a reason..

Lets talk "manifestation"...

James Van Praagh in AZ  last Feb stood on a stage stating : "There is no one God.. There are many gods. We are all gods." My heart hit the ground & I almost broke out crying.  He was professing  the ramifications of what the concept of  'The secret"/manifestation is built upon .For  the idea that you via your thoughts and energy create the actual world ( not just energy reacting with energy but actually creating ) around you literally to actually be true as they now present it in the new age ... that would require you to be a god.

New agers are careful where they clearly spell it out since if they clearly spelled it out on TV....Most Christian pastors would call that shit out faster than Sarah Palin calling out a liberal on Fox News....

It seems to me based on my limited spiritual background ...that the basis of the manifestation teaching as it is being presented is New Age Pantheism  & thus it calls for the denial of the God of Judaism /Christianity .. Yet, no on calls Van Praagh or anyone else out on this..

Would not the  people paying JVP  who are Christians who believe in Jesus want to know what he teaches that they would never go for  if they clearly understood it ahead  before they pay to show up to his events? JVP it seems to me is teaching people how to be their own false idols..And via his failure to take responsibility when he endorses that which can kill via Doreen Virtue's false suicide statements and her dangerous vaccine statements... he is teaching his fans and students risking human life is okay in the psychic fame game.... while it is anything but RIGHT..
Mr Randi...
Why does no skeptic call to Oprah . Oprah how do you betray the suffering of your black people & their wrongful enslavement by teaching people they manifest all that happens to them  so therefore your are saying the black people's  enslavement is their own fault? I don't see the NAACP falling for persons of color are at fault for harm done to them.. so why do they not call out the you manifest all that happens to you when it comes from one of their own? Why does no one  think?  

Why does no skeptic  call to Oprah how does she blame children molested sexually and rape victims for what predators do to them?

If everything that happens to you , you manifested... then every rape , attack, mugging, and murder the victim's fault right?  We should therefore punish those who are the victims of crime for making others do such to them right? Would not the manifestation concept  really mean in ways no one had given much thought to that  the wrong people are in prison if one really thought about it..

 But let us think on this further is not being told you are at fault for that which is not your fault - a cruel sick prison of its own kind spiritually and psychologically to place another soul in?  Who would dare do this to another and call themselves spiritual anything?  Who shall call this out? Does the Bible say Job manifested all the crap that happened to him? Did the man whose wife King David lusted after so much that he was killed for it - manifest being murdered for a king's lust? What prophet of God has ever taught you are god and you manifest everything that happens to you?

If someone in Saudi Arabia punishes a rape victim for being raped the world cries out...
 but when Oprah or Dr. Phil  plug some psychic on TV telling us all everything that happens to us we manifested ... no one it calls out.( And yes... I wrote DR Phil on Facebook about how when he plugs Dougall Fraser and Collete Baron Reid on his show .. they are turning around and off show  endorsing John Holland who leads them to Doreen Virtue ) .. People hear the false hope of you can have and be all.. but not the shadow side implied within that concept of if everything that happens to you.. you  manifest then all the bad shit happening to you is all your fault.

No one thinks.. Help them think Mr Randi.  Hugs to you..
I am praying for you.. It's no wonder a Catholic priest wanted to save you .. who could not want to have you around forever..  Even though you and I shall never agree on God until probably that day when you meet God.. &  I just love the way you protect people from the bullshit of Homeopathy..

 Randi I am so floored how you who have no belief in soul are more of a soul about protecting your fellow human beings lives than all those who claim extreme spirit  gifts...  your love of your fellow man is admirable. I so hope someone shows you the gifts of soul before you pass.. not to take you  for your money ...but in love...

I stand in full support of your calling people to think about whether they are being sold hogwash when they are sick .

People deserve real medicine when they are sick . They   need  real medicine with the greatest known effectivenss..  Not the homepathy or the crap from Esther Hicks who is endorsed by James Van Praagh   .Abraham Hicks tells us dangerous Bullshit ..     


Hoping to see you all  @ Tam 2015 if work will let me off &  if I can swing it financially.


The ripple .. who is pushing fans toward Doreen Virtue directly and one degree out..

Doreen Virtue endangers her fans & any sent by James Van Praagh when she tells them not to get certain vaccines due to her angel insights and when they hear wrong suicide info.

 Note above image was not with Wallet - that was altered by someone online and I just had to share it.. For this is what they really love when they say its all about love..
But real  Love isn't letting people die due to bullshit... Love doesn't leave people with WRONG SUICIDE info.. Love doesn't risk people in vaccine denial.. Love doesn't send people to those who pretend to sell them any spiritual gift when real gifts can not be purchased at any price and trying to buy them leads to eternal death... according the Bible .

Gabrielle Bernstein plugging Doreen Virtue book to her fans online in her segment called  The power of your words  Gabby Plugs Doreen Virtue  & her segment The reason 11:11 Pops up so often.
- setting them up to be harmed in any of Virtue's  wrong medical statements & taken in angel bull .(  I wrote Bernstein & told her of Virtue wrong suicide info whether she will continue to endorse Virtue I do not know. Bernstein is a presenter  of Chopra's upcoming world meditation event .)

John Holland plugs Doreen Virtue to his fans via his online book list. his Facebook likes and Pinterest and at events despite watching her give out wrong suicide info  ( Yes I've written him and told him this is immoral and wrong to endanger life in psychic fraud . He cares not. Its all about the $$ to him. Real men protect others ..instead of watching & contributing to them being endangered.)

John Edward plugging  Brian Weiss to his fans..
Day 24 is Brian Weiss plug

With Dr Brian Weiss plugging Doreen Virtue, will John Edward next want us to believe we might be incarnated Leprechauns or Mermaids ..(I wrote Mr. John Edward months ago via Facebook to ask him to use his fame to call out the danger of Doreen Virtue. I hoped he would do something to protect life because I thought he really talked to dead people. He did  nothing. Did he put Dr.  Brian Weiss on his Evolution series knowing Weiss had a deck coming out with Doreen Virtue ?
Weiss whores his integrity deck. Weiss Forever stuck plugging Doreen Virtue

Doreen Virtue seemingly sells mediumship via her Angel University LLC
($400 Mediumship for all DVD set. No matter that most mediums say not everyone is or can be a medium.. ) .

Virtue tells people they might be incarnated Leprechauns & other magical incarnated beings..
Doreen Virtue's Realm Reader plug

One book where Virtue says people could be incarnated Leprechauns came out in 2007 ... yet no one in the New Age called this crap out.

John Edward plugs someone tied to this crap in Dr. Brian Weiss and James Van Praagh plugs it as real by plugging Doreen Virtue as real angel communicator and they want to questions why no one believes in them?
Realms of the Earth Angels Book Amazon 

Please check out what is being posted in the Doreen Virtue Certified Realm Reader Facebook page..  I love to share the space w/ my friends just to see their reactions. So far none of my friends upon  viewing the page have signed up for the Realm Reader course .. so I still have no idea what realm I am in Doreen Virtue land ...
 Doreen Virtue Certified Realm Readers

(Thanks Pieter for helping redo this meme for me.. Hugs..)

Need your own angel therapist... Doreen Virtue certified angel therapists
Want to become an angel therapist? Only $950 Angel University LLC. Angel Therapist Certification DVD set
Need a certified Medium  Doreen Virtue certified medium

With John Edward pushing his fan base toward Brian Weiss did he not have the moral obligation to make sure none of them would ever be endangered via Doreen Virtue's false medical statements?   If you can not buy mediumship or angel gifts and if giving out wrong suicide info is wrong and telling people not to get flu shots as an angel message is wrong ..

Did  not Medium John Edward have the moral obligation to call the crap out by Doreen Virtue instead of tying himself into the weave of the fraud tapestry by plugging those who lead people to her?


Sunday, July 20, 2014

Notice of Attorney General complaint filed in Seattle against Hay House Publishing.

Notice who knew when..  How MD Brian Weiss went forward endorsing Virtue  via their up coming deck .knowing this.  Look at the dates people..

Subject: RE: 423736 : A notice from the Washington State Attorney General's Office
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 04:39:06 +0000

Dear Bob,

Thank you so much for your reply.

Is there a proper place I should submit my complaint to ensure that the fraudulent psychic conduct that led into medical endangerment does not happen again? If your office is not the place to go - where should I go?

 If someone does get harmed or killed will any attorney representing the harmed parties be able to access my complaint so that there is written data -date & time stamped document to be able to be presented in any civil case against Hay House & Doreen Virtue to prove pattern of harmful conduct & dispersion of false medical information ? If someone gets harmed I want to be sure the court awards a judgement that will reflect the real degree of greed and neglience on the part of Hay House & Doreen Virtue.  I filed compaint with CA Attorney general as well and am waiting to hear back.

I care very deeply about the issue of people receiving correct medical info and that people not be told false information that can hurt them while being told angels are approving of bogus bullshit .No one should ever be told false information that can impede medical help being given in a timely fashion due to psychic fraud - esp by person who claims psychological degrees.

 We need the laws changed in our state. This co 's representative's 1st response when I asked about whether they not concerned about liability of Virtue harming people with her shit if someone didn't help someone who was suicidal in time due to her false statements on suicide - - was- ooh she's a contractor-- We aren't liable. They should've stopped the presentation right when Virtue said the false information on suicide and corrected it - if they really cared about people. No angel of God would be quiet with this woman telling people such bullshit and telling them to pray to angels instead of God.

Their own CEO as confirmed that the speakers are not supposed to diagnose or treat medical conditions & that Virtue's actions went against policy. Yet , despite their policy they have no plan in place to stop any talk where speakers violate the rules even if it could cause harm to another's life.. Metaphysical consumers are a vulernable group that are inclined to check reason at the door - they hear false medical info from mouth of some woman claiming angels are talking to her and - who knows  the final ripple if they apply it.  To this day Hay House  has done absolutely nothing to correct Ms Virtue's false information on suicide & in this they affirm their greed at the possible expense of  human life.

I want to do all I can to ensure what  I saw doesn't happen again.  Tell me where to go - and I shall file whatever.
I want suicidal people & their loved ones  to receive the message to seek immediate medical help without delay or sense of guilt because life matters and because it is spiritual & logical to seek  help when one needs it. No one should be teaching talk of suicide isn't real and claiming  they can see & hear everyone's guardian angel while they spread such false info. I want people to  feel more comfortable to ask for  help when needed- I am for less suicides & less fraudulent" angel" bullshit.  I affirm life & truth matters.
Desiree Krautkramer
Mr. Shermer ~Do you  dream of being certified as an angel therapist or  as a medum?  . Virtue has no requirement of pre-existing psychic gift!  It would probably be a spiritual fantasy of any light worker to save a low vibration atheist. Now Virtue  says people who eat meat or chocolate and drink alcohol and coffee are lowering their vibration and can't reach total enlightenment - so I am not too sure what total enlightenment may mean -it just may just  mean your pockets will be much lighter after paying her very high fees.  Her angels missed Jesus's miracles tied to  Wine & Fish  &   Edgar Cayce &  Torah too .  Her angels don't know about first nation peoples who love to hunt & are psychic nor  do her angels seem aware of the Soviet psy testing among meat eating alcohol drinking psychics.  Her angels seem to not know of or have missed all of Ireland obviously ! Along with  missing noting  Medium Van Praagh eats meat - drinks coffee &  alcohol and  enjoying chocolate all while getting actual psychic hits which she fails to get.  If you take Virtue's class - she might explain. I  know she will be so thrilled if I can help manifest you becoming her student !  
 Van Praagh calling  Virtue true-means he must become  vegan - never drink coffee/alcohol again nor eat chocolate.  Every cup of coffee is clear statement of his non-belief in Ms Virtue. Mr Holland must never have another beer with his buds if he is going to work w/ Virtue. They must follow her every directive.  If it is truth ~~they must follow it!  They must walk her talk or stop selling this bogus bullshit.
Going to practice my affirmation. .I manifest people thinking about the shit they endorse - publish - sell or persons they  work with in light of true spirtuality. 

Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:06:37 -0800
Subject: 423736 : A notice from the Washington State Attorney General's Office

Bob Ferguson
Consumer Protection Division
103 East Holly Street, Suite 308 Bellingham, WA 98225-4310 (360) 738-6187

January 18, 2013

Desiree Krautkramer
4700 12th Ave NE Apt 506
Seattle, WA 98105

RE:   Hay House Publishing
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Complaint with King County ( in WA state) Dept of Health at suggestion of Attorney General & a medical doctor who I know in my life.

Subject: Re: Fraudulent Psychic event and false suicide information given out at Hay House event by Doreen Virtue
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 00:18:29 +0000

Thanks, Mary, for this note. I have forwarded it to our behavioral health folks here at the County so they can be aware of the situation. We may be limited in actions we can take.

From: Mary-Desiree Kramer []
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 07:03 PM Pacific Standard Time
To: Fleming, David
Cc: <>
Subject: Fraudulent Psychic event and false suicide information given out at Hay House event by Doreen Virtue
Dr. Fleming,

I am writing to file formal complaint with the dept of Health at the suggestion of the Attorney General's office and at the suggestion of practicing medical MD I spoke with about the situation.

On Sept 22,2012 in the City of Seattle at the Angels and Afterlife event speakers Medium John Holland and alledged angel medium Doreen Virtue presented and  I observed seeming blatant psychic fraud leading to potential endangerment of suicidal persons by Ms Virtue. Ms Virtue had a question passed to her by medium John Holland regarding situation where single mother of suicidal 20 1/2 yr old black male asked why her son was becoming suicidal and shared with us that her son had written a letter to her that had he had read to her in which he confessed to repeated thoughts of killing himself and almost taking action several times in the prior weeks but each time a friend just happened to call so he changed course.

Mr. Holland passed the question to Ms. Virtue telling us all that Ms. Virtue had doctorate degree in clinical psychology and clinical psychology experience. He stated she had two doctorate degrees.  He stated to us all that she was best qualified to answer the question. The mother had specifically asked for his insight. The mother  thought wisely that of the two Mr. Holland was the real medium and might be able to get true insight into the situation.  Holland during his psychic readings nailed them.

Ms. Virtue was so horrible at "reading" people  that some left  during the event while she was talking.  She was observed seemingly in blatant "fishing" technique where she was unable to get any kind of hit on the people she was reading and did actively engage them to try to get them to tell her what she then reworded and repeated back to them. I have never seen it done to such horrific levels before. One old woman stormed out almost running into me on my way to the bathroom declaring" The Bitch is a total fraud." She asked me could I not see the woman was not getting anything on anyone and person after person was telling her no over and over and that she was trying to make it fit when it wasn't. I confirmed for the very pissed off old woman yes that I was observing the same thing as she was regarding Ms. Virtue. I tried to get the old lady to see that at least Mr Holland was a real medium but the old woman could have cared less she wanted the angel medium to be real.

But Ms Virtue's bogus psychic game crossed the line into endangerment with her imparting false information on suicide while claiming:
A) To see and communicate with all of our angels in the room  ( over 700  people present)
B) To claim gift of mediumship
C) Claim of being Doctorate level clinical psychologist.

Dr. Fleming in front of 700 people Ms. Virtue did tell this mother of suicidal young son that " Those who talk of suicide do not do it. They just want attn. They need counseling, But they don't ever do it!"

The mother at this point had already told us that her son had written a letter he had read his mother confessing that he had repeated thoughts of suicide he almost engaged in completing except for the young man's friends by fluke of miracle of God happening to have called just when the young man was going to end it all. Ms. Virtue went on and asked the mother was there any drug use involved and the mom said no. She pressed no alcohol or pot. The mom said maybe some pot and then Virtue in front of us all declared that was the issue the low vibration pot! 

Next Ms. Virtue went on to offer the woman help. Help came in the form of a book given for free to this mother that Ms Virtue had written on the Mother Mary and it was passed to the woman with the declaration that Mary is the Queen of Heaven and she and her angels could help with this that this book if placed even UNREAD on the nightstand would help heal the energy of the home and the situation..

At no time did Hay House staff or John Holland stand to correct this blatant misinformation on suicide or the use of family tragedy/medical illness to be used to plug a product that could not do what it was claimed to.  Ms. Virtue's statements on healing properties of her book unread  constitute a healing claim that is untrue and  is a pure snake oil.

I went immediately to speak to the Mother of the suicidal boy. I did the best I could using my gifts as an intuitive and as a person holding a BS degree in Justice and Law Admin with concentration in Correctional Counseling with a minor in Psychology.  I have family and personal history with suicide tendency - my family has lost 2 persons to suicide - and I have worked as volunteer at one point in my life  on teen suicide prevention line.

The woman with the suicidal son was confused why I was even there for as she said the two famous mediums had entirely blown off any risk to her son's life!  I sat there doing my best to let anything and everything of my gift, training and life experience come through to stand against the fraudulent info on suicide and to encourage this mother to take action now! The older brother also had history of suicidal tendency. So this mother has had 2 of 3 sons become suicidal around the late teens early twenties. Their  father is of intense mood and that is why there is broken home. Family depression of suicidal level is medical & spiritual condition not caused by a little weed except to bogus  gurus making shit up as they go.

 I ask the health dept  to please stop Ms Virtue from making claims of Mary Mother book healing energy tied to suicidal tendency or any medical condition and  in making statements that could lead suicidal persons from not receiving help then need asap when she says those who talk of it NEVER do it! I ask the health dept to hold Hay House CEO Reid Tracey accountable for what goes on under the Hay House name. 

Melissa ,a Hay House employee who was present that  day , that she clearly saw that Ms Virtue was "entirely off in all her reading of all the people she read" and she stated she was shocked Ms Virtue "even attempted to read anyone." I was informed Ms. rarely reads anyone anymore.  I asked Melissa about the suicide comment she confirmed she had heard it clear as I had but she said " I only took it as dangerous if taken literally. It would be dangerous if taken literally." When I asked Melissa why if she thought there might be any harm why she did not stand to say this is wrong she said to me she was pretty sure had she done so had she thought it concrete risk  that she would have been fired on the spot.

Hay House CEO when I contacted him did state if I had the email of the mother he would personally write her and encourage her like I did to seek immediate medical attn. for her son. I have not the email of the mom at this point.

I can not say ethically that the CEO has offered to do nothing since if I had the email he would have written the mother to correct Ms Virtue's false info  but Mr. Fleming he did nothing to correct the false information that went out to 700 people who may not now get help for their suicidal loves ones or friends.  He has left 700 Seattle people hearing bullshit .That mother of the 20 yr old may or may not believe me that she should take the risk as real  of her son committing suicide if he keeps having repeated thoughts of it --all because Hay House CEO  & Louise Hay herself are comfortable putting  a seemingly completely incompetent fraud on the stage to milk believing souls seeking answers for millions in profits each year. There is not a thing spiritual about that.

Virtue clearly did not follow APA standards or Spiritualist standards or Christian standards in her answer to the mother of the suicidal son. From what I could try to evaluate with only limited info from the mother the son has 5 of 9 risk factors for teen suicide not including having a close bloodline relative of suicidal tendency or history. A little weed didn't make this kid suicidal..

Claiming the psychological degree at DOCTORATE level and failing to follow the truth of psychology made Virtue's statement seem like it is medical truth when it was is untrue.  Virtue if you read her books or hear her presentations has a history of making stuff up that makes little to no sense and not being held accountable by those in the metaphysical community. Whether its telling people to warn fairies off the grass before mowing so as not to kill them or of unicorns. I have never heard a of a story of an angel of God leading anyone to 5 marriages and 4 divorces. But even if you listen to Virtue she won't tell you about that aspect of  her life as she  tries to make it seem like she has one divorce..

Hay House stands to make millions on the Virtue angel crap between the cards, books, angel classes, angel therapy practioner classes, apps for iphone , calendars, and such and cares so little for human life that though Ms. Virtue clearly violated their rules about imparting of medical information, they did nothing to stop her from doing so. Stopping the angel medium from imparting dangerous medical info and claiming fraudulent healing claims on book she wrote would clearly show the woman is an utter fraud . The money is huge in Hay House continuing this fraudulent route and if no one takes this stand who cares little for the cost to their psychic career it won't change until someone dies!

 I've had a fellow medium from Van Praagh Mastering Mediumship class encourage me to not report the fraud, writing  that I should see Mr Holland's conduct as an example for me if I want psychic fame. I was told that psychics run in circles and that you don't out the fraud in your circle. I was told it's not right but its how it goes . I was told to play the game so that I too can have psychic fame as Mr. Holland. I am hearing Desiree you can't call attn. to the fraud it will affect our ability to make money. Mr Holland though a real medium - is no different than some cop or priest of good conduct  who see physical abuse or sexual abuse around and will not take a stand to stop it due to personal profit  thinking well I don't engage in it so its not my obligation to take the stand. Its wrong when priest turn away from reporting other priests who do wrong things. Its wrong when cops don't stop bad cops from hurting others & its wrong when highly gifted medium lets another whether real or fake give out bogus bullshit while they say nothing to stop it.  Human life matters.

 There are no incompetent angels .. but  there is angel fraud.

 Will you see what can be done under the law in this case.
I have waited months and done all I can to see if I talked Hay House and Holland would they step up to correct their psychic fraud problem and they have done nothing that I am aware and so it will probably happen again if not in our state in another. I have been unable to get solid commitment from Hay House CEO that he would guarantee this would never again happen.  I must morally press forward till I am sure no soul will be hurt in this fraudulent bullshit.

Mary- Desiree Krautkramer
Seattle WA


Reid Tracy's Reply to my letter complaining about Mom of suicidal child being told wrong info on suicide by "angel medium" Doreen Virtue..

Subject: RE: Sept 22nd 2012 Seattle event - request for action
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:28:04 +0000

Hi Mary,

I have passed your letter on to Doreen Virtue. I am sorry you were so offended by Doreen’s speech and readings at her and John’s lecture in Seattle.

We at Hay House of course care about all of the audience members and don’t want any harm done at our seminars. It is important for all audience members to consult with their physicians regarding  sensitive topics such as suicide and if you give me the person’s name who Doreen addressed at the seminar I will send her an email asking her to see her physician to get the proper help for her son.

Reid Tracy
Hay House, Inc
PO Box 5100
Carlsbad,CA 92018
(760) 431-7695 x 114

(760)603-1736 direct fax

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