Notice of Attorney General complaint filed in Seattle against Hay House Publishing.

Notice who knew when..  How MD Brian Weiss went forward endorsing Virtue  via their up coming deck .knowing this.  Look at the dates people..


To: belcrc@atg.wa.gov; mshermer@skeptic.com; rtracy@hayhouse.com; info@johnholland.com
CC: customerservice@dougallfraser.com; soniachoquette@me.com; info@suzanenorthrop.com; workshop@brianweiss.com
Subject: RE: 423736 : A notice from the Washington State Attorney General's Office
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 04:39:06 +0000

Dear Bob,

Thank you so much for your reply.

Is there a proper place I should submit my complaint to ensure that the fraudulent psychic conduct that led into medical endangerment does not happen again? If your office is not the place to go - where should I go?

 If someone does get harmed or killed will any attorney representing the harmed parties be able to access my complaint so that there is written data -date & time stamped document to be able to be presented in any civil case against Hay House & Doreen Virtue to prove pattern of harmful conduct & dispersion of false medical information ? If someone gets harmed I want to be sure the court awards a judgement that will reflect the real degree of greed and neglience on the part of Hay House & Doreen Virtue.  I filed compaint with CA Attorney general as well and am waiting to hear back.

I care very deeply about the issue of people receiving correct medical info and that people not be told false information that can hurt them while being told angels are approving of bogus bullshit .No one should ever be told false information that can impede medical help being given in a timely fashion due to psychic fraud - esp by person who claims psychological degrees.

 We need the laws changed in our state. This co 's representative's 1st response when I asked about whether they not concerned about liability of Virtue harming people with her shit if someone didn't help someone who was suicidal in time due to her false statements on suicide - - was- ooh she's a contractor-- We aren't liable. They should've stopped the presentation right when Virtue said the false information on suicide and corrected it - if they really cared about people. No angel of God would be quiet with this woman telling people such bullshit and telling them to pray to angels instead of God.

Their own CEO as confirmed that the speakers are not supposed to diagnose or treat medical conditions & that Virtue's actions went against policy. Yet , despite their policy they have no plan in place to stop any talk where speakers violate the rules even if it could cause harm to another's life.. Metaphysical consumers are a vulernable group that are inclined to check reason at the door - they hear false medical info from mouth of some woman claiming angels are talking to her and - who knows  the final ripple if they apply it.  To this day Hay House  has done absolutely nothing to correct Ms Virtue's false information on suicide & in this they affirm their greed at the possible expense of  human life.

I want to do all I can to ensure what  I saw doesn't happen again.  Tell me where to go - and I shall file whatever.
I want suicidal people & their loved ones  to receive the message to seek immediate medical help without delay or sense of guilt because life matters and because it is spiritual & logical to seek  help when one needs it. No one should be teaching talk of suicide isn't real and claiming  they can see & hear everyone's guardian angel while they spread such false info. I want people to  feel more comfortable to ask for  help when needed- I am for less suicides & less fraudulent" angel" bullshit.  I affirm life & truth matters.

 

 

Desiree Krautkramer

 

 

 

Mr. Shermer ~Do you  dream of being certified as an angel therapist or  as a medum?  http://www.angeltherapy.com/events.php  . Virtue has no requirement of pre-existing psychic gift!  It would probably be a spiritual fantasy of any light worker to save a low vibration atheist. Now Virtue  says people who eat meat or chocolate and drink alcohol and coffee are lowering their vibration and can't reach total enlightenment - so I am not too sure what total enlightenment may mean -it just may just  mean your pockets will be much lighter after paying her very high fees.  Her angels missed Jesus's miracles tied to  Wine & Fish  &   Edgar Cayce &  Torah too .  Her angels don't know about first nation peoples who love to hunt & are psychic nor  do her angels seem aware of the Soviet psy testing among meat eating alcohol drinking psychics.  Her angels seem to not know of or have missed all of Ireland obviously ! Along with  missing noting  Medium Van Praagh eats meat - drinks coffee &  alcohol and  enjoying chocolate all while getting actual psychic hits which she fails to get.  If you take Virtue's class - she might explain. I  know she will be so thrilled if I can help manifest you becoming her student !  

 

 Van Praagh calling  Virtue true-means he must become  vegan - never drink coffee/alcohol again nor eat chocolate.  Every cup of coffee is clear statement of his non-belief in Ms Virtue. Mr Holland must never have another beer with his buds if he is going to work w/ Virtue. They must follow her every directive.  If it is truth ~~they must follow it!  They must walk her talk or stop selling this bogus bullshit.

 

Going to practice my affirmation. .I manifest people thinking about the shit they endorse - publish - sell or persons they  work with in light of true spirtuality. 

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From: BelCRC@atg.wa.gov
To: notyet03@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:06:37 -0800
Subject: 423736 : A notice from the Washington State Attorney General's Office

Bob Ferguson

ATTORNEY GENERAL OF WASHINGTON

Consumer Protection Division

103 East Holly Street, Suite 308 Bellingham, WA 98225-4310 (360) 738-6187

January 18, 2013

Desiree Krautkramer
4700 12th Ave NE Apt 506
Seattle, WA 98105

RE:   Hay House Publishing

File #:   423736

Dear Desiree Krautkramer:

Our office received your correspondence regarding Hay House Publishing.

  

The Attorney General’s Office is authorized only to represent certain public officials and agencies. Information about our office can be found on our website at this link: http://atg.wa.gov/WhatTheOfficeDoes.aspx

The Washington State Attorney General’s Office values the important information it receives from consumers like you. We will retain the information you submitted as part of our public record.

Thank you for contacting our office.

RUTH E. HOLBROOK
Program Specialist 3
Consumer Protection Division
(360) 738-6188
Fax: (360) 738-6190
belcrc@atg.wa.gov

Complaint with King County ( in WA state) Dept of Health at suggestion of Attorney General & a medical doctor who I know in my life.

From: David.Fleming@kingcounty.gov
To: notyet03@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Fraudulent Psychic event and false suicide information given out at Hay House event by Doreen Virtue
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 00:18:29 +0000

Thanks, Mary, for this note. I have forwarded it to our behavioral health folks here at the County so they can be aware of the situation. We may be limited in actions we can take.

From: Mary-Desiree Kramer [mailto:notyet03@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 07:03 PM Pacific Standard Time
To: Fleming, David
Cc: info@johnholland.com <info@johnholland.com>
Subject: Fraudulent Psychic event and false suicide information given out at Hay House event by Doreen Virtue

Dr. Fleming,

I am writing to file formal complaint with the dept of Health at the suggestion of the Attorney General's office and at the suggestion of practicing medical MD I spoke with about the situation.

On Sept 22,2012 in the City of Seattle at the Angels and Afterlife event speakers Medium John Holland and alledged angel medium Doreen Virtue presented and  I observed seeming blatant psychic fraud leading to potential endangerment of suicidal persons by Ms Virtue. Ms Virtue had a question passed to her by medium John Holland regarding situation where single mother of suicidal 20 1/2 yr old black male asked why her son was becoming suicidal and shared with us that her son had written a letter to her that had he had read to her in which he confessed to repeated thoughts of killing himself and almost taking action several times in the prior weeks but each time a friend just happened to call so he changed course.

Mr. Holland passed the question to Ms. Virtue telling us all that Ms. Virtue had doctorate degree in clinical psychology and clinical psychology experience. He stated she had two doctorate degrees.  He stated to us all that she was best qualified to answer the question. The mother had specifically asked for his insight. The mother  thought wisely that of the two Mr. Holland was the real medium and might be able to get true insight into the situation.  Holland during his psychic readings nailed them.

Ms. Virtue was so horrible at "reading" people  that some left  during the event while she was talking.  She was observed seemingly in blatant "fishing" technique where she was unable to get any kind of hit on the people she was reading and did actively engage them to try to get them to tell her what she then reworded and repeated back to them. I have never seen it done to such horrific levels before. One old woman stormed out almost running into me on my way to the bathroom declaring" The Bitch is a total fraud." She asked me could I not see the woman was not getting anything on anyone and person after person was telling her no over and over and that she was trying to make it fit when it wasn't. I confirmed for the very pissed off old woman yes that I was observing the same thing as she was regarding Ms. Virtue. I tried to get the old lady to see that at least Mr Holland was a real medium but the old woman could have cared less she wanted the angel medium to be real.

But Ms Virtue's bogus psychic game crossed the line into endangerment with her imparting false information on suicide while claiming:
A) To see and communicate with all of our angels in the room  ( over 700  people present)
B) To claim gift of mediumship
C) Claim of being Doctorate level clinical psychologist.

Dr. Fleming in front of 700 people Ms. Virtue did tell this mother of suicidal young son that " Those who talk of suicide do not do it. They just want attn. They need counseling, But they don't ever do it!"

The mother at this point had already told us that her son had written a letter he had read his mother confessing that he had repeated thoughts of suicide he almost engaged in completing except for the young man's friends by fluke of miracle of God happening to have called just when the young man was going to end it all. Ms. Virtue went on and asked the mother was there any drug use involved and the mom said no. She pressed no alcohol or pot. The mom said maybe some pot and then Virtue in front of us all declared that was the issue the low vibration pot! 

Next Ms. Virtue went on to offer the woman help. Help came in the form of a book given for free to this mother that Ms Virtue had written on the Mother Mary and it was passed to the woman with the declaration that Mary is the Queen of Heaven and she and her angels could help with this that this book if placed even UNREAD on the nightstand would help heal the energy of the home and the situation..

At no time did Hay House staff or John Holland stand to correct this blatant misinformation on suicide or the use of family tragedy/medical illness to be used to plug a product that could not do what it was claimed to.  Ms. Virtue's statements on healing properties of her book unread  constitute a healing claim that is untrue and  is a pure snake oil.

I went immediately to speak to the Mother of the suicidal boy. I did the best I could using my gifts as an intuitive and as a person holding a BS degree in Justice and Law Admin with concentration in Correctional Counseling with a minor in Psychology.  I have family and personal history with suicide tendency - my family has lost 2 persons to suicide - and I have worked as volunteer at one point in my life  on teen suicide prevention line.

The woman with the suicidal son was confused why I was even there for as she said the two famous mediums had entirely blown off any risk to her son's life!  I sat there doing my best to let anything and everything of my gift, training and life experience come through to stand against the fraudulent info on suicide and to encourage this mother to take action now! The older brother also had history of suicidal tendency. So this mother has had 2 of 3 sons become suicidal around the late teens early twenties. Their  father is of intense mood and that is why there is broken home. Family depression of suicidal level is medical & spiritual condition not caused by a little weed except to bogus  gurus making shit up as they go.

 I ask the health dept  to please stop Ms Virtue from making claims of Mary Mother book healing energy tied to suicidal tendency or any medical condition and  in making statements that could lead suicidal persons from not receiving help then need asap when she says those who talk of it NEVER do it! I ask the health dept to hold Hay House CEO Reid Tracey accountable for what goes on under the Hay House name. 

Melissa ,a Hay House employee who was present that  day , that she clearly saw that Ms Virtue was "entirely off in all her reading of all the people she read" and she stated she was shocked Ms Virtue "even attempted to read anyone." I was informed Ms. rarely reads anyone anymore.  I asked Melissa about the suicide comment she confirmed she had heard it clear as I had but she said " I only took it as dangerous if taken literally. It would be dangerous if taken literally." When I asked Melissa why if she thought there might be any harm why she did not stand to say this is wrong she said to me she was pretty sure had she done so had she thought it concrete risk  that she would have been fired on the spot.

Hay House CEO when I contacted him did state if I had the email of the mother he would personally write her and encourage her like I did to seek immediate medical attn. for her son. I have not the email of the mom at this point.

I can not say ethically that the CEO has offered to do nothing since if I had the email he would have written the mother to correct Ms Virtue's false info  but Mr. Fleming he did nothing to correct the false information that went out to 700 people who may not now get help for their suicidal loves ones or friends.  He has left 700 Seattle people hearing bullshit .That mother of the 20 yr old may or may not believe me that she should take the risk as real  of her son committing suicide if he keeps having repeated thoughts of it --all because Hay House CEO  & Louise Hay herself are comfortable putting  a seemingly completely incompetent fraud on the stage to milk believing souls seeking answers for millions in profits each year. There is not a thing spiritual about that.

Virtue clearly did not follow APA standards or Spiritualist standards or Christian standards in her answer to the mother of the suicidal son. From what I could try to evaluate with only limited info from the mother the son has 5 of 9 risk factors for teen suicide not including having a close bloodline relative of suicidal tendency or history. A little weed didn't make this kid suicidal..

Claiming the psychological degree at DOCTORATE level and failing to follow the truth of psychology made Virtue's statement seem like it is medical truth when it was is untrue.  Virtue if you read her books or hear her presentations has a history of making stuff up that makes little to no sense and not being held accountable by those in the metaphysical community. Whether its telling people to warn fairies off the grass before mowing so as not to kill them or of unicorns. I have never heard a of a story of an angel of God leading anyone to 5 marriages and 4 divorces. But even if you listen to Virtue she won't tell you about that aspect of  her life as she  tries to make it seem like she has one divorce..

Hay House stands to make millions on the Virtue angel crap between the cards, books, angel classes, angel therapy practioner classes, apps for iphone , calendars, and such and cares so little for human life that though Ms. Virtue clearly violated their rules about imparting of medical information, they did nothing to stop her from doing so. Stopping the angel medium from imparting dangerous medical info and claiming fraudulent healing claims on book she wrote would clearly show the woman is an utter fraud . The money is huge in Hay House continuing this fraudulent route and if no one takes this stand who cares little for the cost to their psychic career it won't change until someone dies!

 I've had a fellow medium from Van Praagh Mastering Mediumship class encourage me to not report the fraud, writing  that I should see Mr Holland's conduct as an example for me if I want psychic fame. I was told that psychics run in circles and that you don't out the fraud in your circle. I was told it's not right but its how it goes . I was told to play the game so that I too can have psychic fame as Mr. Holland. I am hearing Desiree you can't call attn. to the fraud it will affect our ability to make money. Mr Holland though a real medium - is no different than some cop or priest of good conduct  who see physical abuse or sexual abuse around and will not take a stand to stop it due to personal profit  thinking well I don't engage in it so its not my obligation to take the stand. Its wrong when priest turn away from reporting other priests who do wrong things. Its wrong when cops don't stop bad cops from hurting others & its wrong when highly gifted medium lets another whether real or fake give out bogus bullshit while they say nothing to stop it.  Human life matters.

 There are no incompetent angels .. but  there is angel fraud.

 Will you see what can be done under the law in this case.
I have waited months and done all I can to see if I talked Hay House and Holland would they step up to correct their psychic fraud problem and they have done nothing that I am aware and so it will probably happen again if not in our state in another. I have been unable to get solid commitment from Hay House CEO that he would guarantee this would never again happen.  I must morally press forward till I am sure no soul will be hurt in this fraudulent bullshit.

Mary- Desiree Krautkramer
Seattle WA

 

Reid Tracy's Reply to my letter complaining about Mom of suicidal child being told wrong info on suicide by "angel medium" Doreen Virtue..

From: RTracy@HayHouse.com
To: notyet03@hotmail.com
CC: info@johnholland.com
Subject: RE: Sept 22nd 2012 Seattle event - request for action
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:28:04 +0000

Hi Mary,

I have passed your letter on to Doreen Virtue. I am sorry you were so offended by Doreen’s speech and readings at her and John’s lecture in Seattle.

We at Hay House of course care about all of the audience members and don’t want any harm done at our seminars. It is important for all audience members to consult with their physicians regarding  sensitive topics such as suicide and if you give me the person’s name who Doreen addressed at the seminar I will send her an email asking her to see her physician to get the proper help for her son.

Reid Tracy
President
Hay House, Inc
PO Box 5100
Carlsbad,CA 92018
(760) 431-7695 x 114
(760)603-1736 direct fax

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